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Books Mentioned: - The Expanse - The Mistborn series - The Wizard Of Earthsea - Beyond The Stars anthology - The Legacy Fleet series Visit Nick at http://nickwebbwrites.com FULL TRANSCRIPT C. G. Cooper: Welcome to Books in 30, with me, C.G. Cooper. Here at Books in 30, we discuss great books with some of today's top authors. Today I'd like to introduce you to my good friend Nick Webb. Nick became a scientist so that he could build starships of all things. Unfortunately, his ship is taking longer to build than he had hoped. So fictional starships will have to do for now. When he's not adding to his starship collection, you can find him Tweeting and Facebooking about NASA, science, space, sci-fi and quoting Star Trek Two. Nick, welcome to the show, man. How are you doing? Nick Webb: Good, how are you? C. G. Cooper: I am good. Hey, just to start out, can you give the listeners a quick snapshot of why you became an author? Nick Webb: Yeah. I think I need to update that bio, 'cause I don't think I've Tweeted in three years. C. G. Cooper: Gotcha. Nick Webb: But yeah, I'm on Facebook. I used to be, well, I am a scientist, I did science for quite a while. Went to grad school and all of that. I did physics. And worked for First Los Alamos National Lab and did some work for NASA. And then, one day I decided to start writing. It was actually for ... Long story. Funny story. I had been playing Xbox for a year at that point. Xbox keeps track of the hours that you play. Once I hit 300 hours in this one game, I was like, "What am I doing with my life?". I sat down on New Year's Day one year, about six years ago or so and said, "Hey let's take all this Xbox time and do something creative with it." I wrote my first book in three weeks with that Xbox time. That's where it all started for me with writing. I kept doing it as a hobby for a few years until my breakout book was Constitution. That's what basically enabled me to write full-time and then turn into a full-time author. I still want to get back into science someday. But for now it's all story-telling. C. G. Cooper: Sweet man. Now I'm curious and I'll bet the listeners will be too. Was it one game that you played all 300 hours? Nick Webb: There were a few that had multiple hundreds of hours each on them. My favorite at the time and still is one of my favorite games is Skyrim. I think I must have played through it two or three times. Each time you play it through is at least 100 hours. It's really fun. I just get lost in it. It's kind of a story-telling all on its own. You're basically in your own fantasy novel. It's an open sandbox. It's got a story that goes along with it. But otherwise, it's a sandbox that you just get lost in. I think authors, especially fantasy, sci-fi, fantasy, thriller authors, they just naturally get pulled to stuff like that. They just get lost in those stories. And I'm several hundred hours on that one. Star Wars, I played Star Wars for a while. But yeah, I found a much better thing to do with my time. I'm actually creating something instead of consuming something. C. G. Cooper: Was your wife happier when you started doing that instead? Nick Webb: Oh yeah. Funny story, so my wife's an editor, she edits other people's books for a living. I did not tell her I was doing this. C. G. Cooper: Really? I didn't know that. Just for the listeners out there. Nick is actually a very good friend. We've gotten together a few times. There's four of us for a writer's retreat and I haven't heard these stories yet. So I am intrigued dude, come on, tell me. Nick Webb: Yeah, it was January. I was starting to write this book. It was 2012. Every night after we put the kids to bed, I'd go to my office, well the TV room. My wife thought I was just watching all the political commentary shows. 'Cause it was the election year and I was really following politics and everything. She thought that's what I was doing. I let her think that. Every night she'd say, "Hey how was the news. What's going on in the news today?" I'd tell her. In fact, I would still watch the news? For a month there, three weeks, she thought that's what I was doing. I went through an edit of my book. Nick Webb: On Valentine's Day, we went out to lunch. This was still in Los Alamos, in New Mexico. To our Valentine's Day lunch, I brought this binder with my first book completely printed out on paper. I plopped it right there on the table in front of her and said, "This is probably the weirdest Valentine's Day present ever. But Happy Valentine's Day." C. G. Cooper: "Now get to work?" Nick Webb: Now get to work. And it was actually really good. She was..."mildly surprised" is an understatement. But surprised in a good way. She was just shocked that I had done something like this. That's just not something you go and do on a whim. It was fun. She read it and she liked it. She gave me a lot of feedback. 'Cause that's what she does. She edits books and helps authors get their writing up to snuff. Nick Webb: Mine, at the time, it was awful. It was my first time writing a book. It was not great. But she gave me her notes. She told me how to make it better. I tried to learn the things that she was trying to teach me. I think I did. The second draft that I gave her was a lot cleaner. Nick Webb: And then of course, really the only way to get better writing, and really to do anything in life is just do it again. Write the next book. And then the book after that, and then the book after that. And eventually, you're going to get it. You're going to learn how to do it. That applies to just about everything in life. As long as you don't give up, as long as you try to keep learning how to do it better, you just gotta try it and do it again and again until you get better. C. G. Cooper: Amen. And five years later you're still doing it, right? Nick Webb: Yep. I just finished my 12th or 13th book, or something like that. C. G. Cooper: Yeah, yeah. Nick Webb: I'm not like some of these guys are writing like 10, 12 books a year. I'm not quite at that level yet. But I'm doing a few books per year. I feel like I'm getting better. C. G. Cooper: I think so. I think the sales are a good indication that you're doing pretty well. Nick Webb: Yeah. C. G. Cooper: Cool dude. Let's jump into the show's meat and potatoes. Number one question for you: What are you reading right now that's blowing your hair back? Or what's something that you've currently finished that you think the readers would like to hear about? Nick Webb: I am currently reading The Expanse by James S.A. Corey. That's the sci-fi series that is being turned into a ... Is it Netflix or is it, I think it was Netflix. C. G. Cooper: Yeah, I think so. Nick Webb: Yeah, it's a Netflix series. I think they just put out season two of the Expanse on Netflix. But in terms of the books, they're now up to book six. I am making my way through it. The problem with, at least for me, the problem with being a writer and then trying to read other books in that genre is that you get busy with your stuff. So you try to read a book and then you get bogged down with your own stuff. And then you set that other book aside for a while. I actually started the book back in, oh man I started it several months ago and I haven't quite finished it yet. But the series as a whole, it's phenomenal. I love it. It's easy to see how it got chosen to be turned into a TV series. C. G. Cooper: Talk about that. 'Cause I've had the same issue. Reading fiction, when I'm a fiction author. How do you get past that? I know for me it was all about jumping onto Audible, because then I can walk, I can drive, I can do whatever I need to do and listen to the book. But reading it was, I couldn't do it. Nick Webb: Something that helps me, at least last year, the year before that. I would read outside my genre. That made it different enough that ... Not that it's not interesting to me, reading sci-fi right now. But it feels like work sometimes. C. G. Cooper: Yeah. Nick Webb: That might explain why I have not made it through the sixth book yet of that series. Even though I love the series. The writing is phenomenal. But you know, for example, last year I read all the Brandon Sanderson, Mistborn series. We've talked about him at our writing retreat. "Sandon Branderson." C. G. Cooper: Good old, "Sandon Branderson." Nick Webb: Brandon Sanderson, he write fantasy. He does world building so ... He does such an exquisite job. I just get sucked into it. It's different enough from sci-fi, it's fantasy, that it's a pleasure to read it, I get lost in the book and hours, hours later, I look up and like, "Oh. I just spent the whole day reading." C. G. Cooper: Just like your Xbox, right Nick? Nick Webb: Just like the Xbox. It's the world-building that just grabs you and sucks you right in. C. G. Cooper: Yeah, that's so cool. Nick Webb: That's one thing. Reading outside the genre. Really, it's learning how to just let go of your own stuff for a little while and ... If I want to read a book, I really have to set my own stuff on hold for three, four, five days. And not think about my own books and just dive into someone else's book. Otherwise, I'm thinking: "Oh how can I make this one scene in my book better based on what I just read from this author?" C. G. Cooper: I do the same thing, man. It's that critical eye always looking to get better and to find out new ideas. We all share ideas left and right. But yeah, and I know for me, especially as my editing, my personal editing has gotten better, I'm reading slower because I'm reading a book as if I were editing my own work. That kills me. Nick Webb: That's how I know a book is really good when I finish it and I immediately want to go write a book just like it. I just read Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn. Now I want to go build my own fantasy world and write seven books in it. That's how I know it's good. C. G. Cooper: Yeah, heck yeah. That's a perfect segway into the next part of the show. Your favorite book of all time, what is it and why? Nick Webb: I think it would have to be what's her name, Ursula Le Guin, she mainly wrote fantasy. A little bit of sci-fi back in the 60s, 70s, 80s. But her favorite book of mine was A Wizard of Earthsea. It's actually a, I think it's technically a YA novel, young adult novel. But I think I go back to read that ... And it's rather short. It's like only, I don't know how long it is but it's like 40-50,000 words, which translated into pages, that's like 200 pages tops. A shorter novel. But I go back and read it like every two or three years. Just 'cause it's so magical to me. It just grabs me and sucks me in. It kind of reminds me of, what was his name, he played Saruman on Lord of the Rings. C. G. Cooper: Yeah, I can't remember his name, but yeah. Nick Webb: Christopher Lee, right? C. G. Cooper: Yeah. Nick Webb: Yeah. I watched an interview of him. He said, "Yeah. I read the Lord of the Rings, once every single year, because it just sucks me in. I've got to go back to that writing, that story, that world, every year." It's the same way for me and Ursula Le Guin and A Wizard of Earthsea. Have you read it? C. G. Cooper: I have not read it. I don't think I've even heard of it. When did you first read that? Nick Webb: I think I read it when I was maybe 12 or so. I was really young. It's targeted for younger readers. But it's such a, I don't know how to describe it. It's such a deep book. It's for younger readers but the lessons learned, the themes presented are very adult themes. I get lost in that world-building that Ursula Le Guin builds in this book. Nick Webb: It's basically about a young wizard, young magician kid who his parents died. He's raised by this other silent wizard who never speaks, on this little tiny island. When he comes of age he gets sent off to, basically his Hogwarts. It's a Harry Potter story, but just a little bit more serious. He gets sent off to the wizarding school and he basically, he's a little menace. He's a rebel. He grew up without parents. He's this rapscallion of a kid. In a moment of showing off to all his friends, he works this incredibly powerful, complex piece of magic. Nick Webb: As a result, he summons this evil spirit into the world. It almost kills him. It kills the, basically Dumbledore's figure. It kills the Dumbledore figure of that school. The rest of the book is him coming to terms with what he's done. He has to go and ... The first half of the book is spent running away from this shadow that he has released into the world. The second half of the book is him pursuing it and finally conquering it, basically. C. G. Cooper: So basically it's the story that you and I wanted to live as kids, right? Nick Webb: Yeah. We all wanted to be wizards right? C. G. Cooper: Oh heck yeah. I always did. I always wanted magic powers. I'm going to have to check that out. That sounds really good. Nick Webb: It's a much different feeling than Harry Potter. Harry Potter is kind of fun and silly with some very serious stuff woven into it. This is much more, it's got a, not a darker feel but it's a more almost like an ancient feel to it. It's not our world. It's another world in a very, very fantasy world time. It was swords and wizards and that kind of stuff. C. G. Cooper: Is it kind of like, have you read Lev Grossman's The Magician series? Have you read any of those? Nick Webb: I haven't read it, but I've heard of it, yeah. C. G. Cooper: Yeah. It's sort of ... To me it's almost like C.S. Lewis type, Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe thrown in with darker, YA type themes. But yeah, I'll have to check that. So that's A Wizard of Earthseam? Or The Wizard of Earthseam? Nick Webb: A Wizard of Earthsea, as in the earth that we live on plus the sea, like the ocean. C. G. Cooper: Oh sea, okay I wrote seam. There you go, listen up C.G. Cooper, come on. Well cool. Let's move on to the next spot, which is a snippet of your work. Did you bring something that you could read for the listeners? Nick Webb: I did, yes. Let me slip over to it real quick. This is, I mainly write novels, but I've also written a few short stories. I hate writing short stories because they're so hard. You basically have to do the work of a novel but condense it down into a tenth of the space. I generally don't do them. But this one, I really enjoyed writing. Nick Webb: I think it's my best short story I've ever written. It's called Second Place. It's about the guy who was ... It's in the future. It's like 60 years in the future. It's about the guy who was the second man to walk on Mars. Kind of like the, what's his name, the Buzz Aldrin figure to... who was the first man to walk on the moon? C. G. Cooper: Neil Armstrong? Nick Webb: Neil Armstrong. Yeah. So Buzz Aldrin to Neil Armstrong, that kind of thing. This guy is the second man to walk on Mars. He feels like he's been in the shadow of the first man to walk on Mars for his whole life. Now he's getting really old. He wants to be the first man to die on Mars. That's going to be his claim to fame. He manages to get a trip up to the colony, which has been started on Mars. He sets into motion this intricate plan to die in an accident, making it look like he saved the whole colony. C. G. Cooper: Wow. Nice. Nick Webb: What was that? C. G. Cooper: I said, nice I like it. Nick Webb: It sounds morbid, but it's actually a comedy, it's a comedy short story with a heart filled twist at the end. In this scene, there's been an accident and he's at the bedside of this kid who got hurt in an accident. All through the story he's been trying to keep other people alive to give him time to do his plan so that he can be the first to die. I'll start here. Nick Webb: Thirty minutes later. The blood transfusion was quick and painless. But the baggy circles under little Wixon's eyes were disconcerting. Frank glanced nervously from Wix to his parent's, sitting nearby. His mother, a small pretty woman was making a valiant effort to contain her despair. She tousled the boy's hair, shows him a thin smile. His father set stoically in the corner. Nick Webb: "Are you feeling okay Grumpy?" Said the boy. "Me? You're asking me if I'm feeling okay? You're the one in a hospital bed, kid. Have you looked in a mirror lately?" He said with a good-natured smile. He'd gotten the impression early on from little Wix that he was the type of kid that appreciated a gentle ribbing and his giggles confirmed it. "They said I'll need your blood for a long time." "Yeah, well let's not think about that. I'm sure they'll come up with a good way to fix you. You'll be healthier than I am within a few days and I'm as healthy as they come." Wixon nodded solemnly, "I thought maybe, instead of just coming to the hospital for more transfusions, I though maybe we could just stuff you into my backpack and just hook up a tube between us." His father looked mortified. His mother's jaw hung half open. Frank laughed. "You got it, kid. If you can carry me, I'm all yours. Your own personal bloodbank on tap at all hours of the day. Just save a few pints for me, would you?" They continued their banter and before long little Wix's eyes got droopy and he fell asleep. Frank glanced from one parent to the other. They both looked like they hadn't slept in days. "Mr. Bickam, thank you so much for doing this. I have no words." The mother trailed off. The father nodded. "I don't know what we would have done if you weren't here. If there's anything you need, anything at all, please let me know. My father is the Vice President of Interplanetary. Just one word from me and it happens, whatever you want." A wicked thought crossed his mind. "Can you revoke Jerry Suez? The first man to walk on Mars? His colonist application?" "What?" "Just kidding." Frank said with a wry chuckle. The father laughed nervously and yawned. Damn these people needed sleep. Frank tapped a finger on his armrest. "I know what you could do for me." "You name it." "Go to bed. Both you and your wife. Get some sleep. I'll be here all night. I'll look after Wix." They both stared at him. "No I mean it. He needs you." He says, pointing at the sleeping boy. "But he needs you to be awake, alert and healthy. Go to bed. Don't make me pull rank." He added with a grin. After another round of profuse thanks, they left. "Just you and me kid. And I'll be damned if you leave before I do." An hour passed and he was dozing off when something jolted him awake. "Mr. Bickam?" Dr. Prat was looking at him through the half-open door. "Yes doctor?" "Would you mind coming back tomorrow evening? I want to build up a short-term supply of your blood. Just in case, well you know." Frank nodded. It wasn't immediately clear to him what 'you know' meant. But it didn't matter. "Very prudent, in fact, how about we build up a long-term supply? I can come in twice a day for the next two weeks or so if needed. Let's make sure we have at least a year's worth. Wouldn't you say? At least until the next shipment comes in from earth. I assume they're going to send over a supply of his blood type, right?" Dr. Prat's face broke out into a huge smile. "Yes they will. But you never cease to amaze me Mr. Bickam. Yes, that would be perfect. God bless you." Prat left him alone with the boy and his thoughts. Two weeks. Build up enough of a supply and make sure that the boy would live a long and happy life. And then Frank Bickam was heading to the history books. First man to die on Mars. "Grumpy?" The boy's small voice made him jump. "Yeah Wix?" "Don't ever go anywhere, okay?" Damnit, kid's not helping. "I'll be right here kid, on Mars, forever." "Good." The kid's voice sounded remote and slurred as if he was sleep speaking. "I'm glad you're here Grumpy." "Me too, kid." And it was even true. And then that ends that little chapter. C. G. Cooper: Awesome, man. Have you published this or is this just something you've been keeping? Nick Webb: It's actually in a short story anthology put out by Patrice Fitzgerald, who does a little sci-fi, short story anthology series. The title of the anthology itself is either called, oh man I can't remember the name. She's going to kill me. [Beyond the Stars.] C. G. Cooper: It's alright. Nick Webb: But Patrice Fitzgerald is her name. Actually, I'm going to take this short story and I'm putting together a little compendium of all my short stories. Plus the first 10% or so of a few of my novels. I'm putting it all together into a free compendium I'm just going to give away to people. Nick Webb: So people can just go to my website and it'll be there. You can just download it for free. You can get all these short stories, read them for free and then if you want to buy them that's fine. If you want to buy the novels that have the excerpts in this compendium, you can go do that. But pretty soon it will be free. C. G. Cooper: Awesome, man. Thanks for sharing that. I appreciate it. I can tell you were feeling that one when you wrote it. Nick Webb: Yeah, it's a fun story. This guy, he's trying to die. And yet at the same time, so many people are depending on him and come to depend on him. They're seeing him as this hero. He doesn't want to be a hero, in that sense. He wants to be the hero in his mind, this hero that he's been thinking of in his mind for so long. To go out in a blaze of glory. And then he learns in the end that, that's not what being a hero is. *Being a hero is being there, day by day. Not dying for someone, but living for someone.* C. G. Cooper: Awesome. That is quite poignant right now. I appreciate you sharing that. I think you should probably, when we get the transcript for this, make sure you go back and get that quote so you can post it on your website too. Nick Webb: Which one? C. G. Cooper: The quote you just said that don't even know you said. But go back and listen to it. The listeners know what I'm talking about. Alright, on to the next. Probably our favorite part here. Mean reviews, please tell me you brought a couple mean reviews with you. Nick Webb: I brought a few. C. G. Cooper: Nice. Let's dive in. Nick Webb: These are painful. To get those ones that I feel like I can read on air, you gotta go through the ones that are actually critiquing things about your book that are true. Lots of these bad reviews, they're pointing out very true things. I don't want to make fun of people posting earnestly written reviews about how my book can be better. Those are great reviews, even if they're one star. But then some of them are just kind of short and sweet and funny. C. G. Cooper: Let's hear them dude. Nick Webb: And they're usually just these one-liners. Number one, "Was this written by a robot?" C. G. Cooper: Yes, it was. Nick Webb: And I want to say, "Yes. Yes it was." Someone else, they're very succinct, they just ... I think they might be from England. They just said, "Rubbish." C. G. Cooper: That's it? Just one word? Nick Webb: That's it, just "Rubbish." Okay. Another guy, another one word review. He just says, "Okay." C. G. Cooper: Does he at least spell it out or is it just the letters O and K? Nick Webb: I think he spells it O-K-A-Y. Maybe I'm imagining the tone of his voice. Maybe he just says, "Okay." But I imagine him saying it like, "Okay." Like, "I just read that, okay." C. G. Cooper: So much loaded into one tiny four letter word. Nick Webb: Oh yeah, that's a very, yeah. Another one says, "I love sci-fi.... this book fell flat on its face." Ouch. There's so many of them. So many good one star reviews. "This book was laughably bad." C. G. Cooper: What about the ones that really get to you? Or do any of them get to you? Nick Webb: The ones that actually hurt? C. G. Cooper: Yeah. Nick Webb: You know, that sounds pompous to say, but I think I've gotten to the point where it just rolls off my back. Because I'm- C. G. Cooper: So wait a minute. You really are a robot? Nick Webb: I am a robot. Okay, the ones that really drive me crazy sometimes, are the ones that they're saying something that's true, but they don't get it. That was the point. Like I did something where that was the point. But then they call me out on it and saying it was a bad thing. I'm trying to find an example. Nick Webb: Okay, here's one. "The whole novel could be summarized as an elder grumpy man yelling, 'Get off my lawn.'" That was part of a one star review. And I'm like, "Yeah. That's the point. It's this old guy, yelling 'Get off my lawn.'" He's this old guy that can't change the times. He's old and worn out. And now at the very end of his career, he is the one who's called upon to be the hero of earth. That's the point. C. G. Cooper: Maybe he's got something against old guys. Nick Webb: Maybe, I don't know. C. G. Cooper: Jeez, way to go Nick, Mr. Robot. Jeez, golly. Well I'll tell you what. Let's segway that into our really quickly, our speed round. I've got four quick questions for four quick answers. Are you ready? Nick Webb: I am ready. This will be true speed round since I have not even looked at these questions. C. G. Cooper: It's alright. I'll only ask you questions that a robot could answer truthfully. Alright, number one, what's your favorite thing about being an author? Nick Webb: Working for myself. C. G. Cooper: Working for yourself. What is the best advice you ever received? Nick Webb: I think I even just gave this advice to everyone listening, early on, is don't give up, just do it. How to put it pithily and succinctly, you only get better at something by doing it. C. G. Cooper: Amen. Nick Webb: If you're starting off by sucking, just keep on sucking until you don't suck. C. G. Cooper: I like that. That's even better. That's right up my alley. Alright, number three. What is one piece of technology that you could not live without? Other than the oil that you put into your robot body? Nick Webb: The refrigerator. C. G. Cooper: The refrigerator. Nick Webb: Without which, I would not get my daily exercise. C. G. Cooper: Nice. Alright, Nick, number four. Who do you look up to? Nick Webb: I look up at those authors that are just able to put out a large quantity of high quality entertainment. We know a few of them. Robert Crane, I think we're both friends with him. C. G. Cooper: Yep. Nick Webb: I think he might even be doing one of these shows with you. C. G. Cooper: Oh, yeah. He's got an episode. Nick Webb: Yeah, okay. He, I read some of his stuff and he is just a phenomenal writer. And yet, at the same time, he has got such a strong work ethic that he sits down day after day and somehow generates this massive amount of high quality, fun entertainment, every day. He's the one that puts out, I don't know, like 10 books a year or something. Nick Webb: He's the robot. I'm not the robot, he's the robot. And yet it's all good. I've read his stuff. I've seen the reviews. His fans love it. And there's other authors like that. Like Elle Casey is another one of them who is just able to put out a ton of high quality entertainment. And it's not so much that I respect the number of books these people put out. I respect their work ethic. They're able to sit down, day after day and they just do it. Sometimes they don't feel like doing it, but they do it anyway. The result is remarkable. C. G. Cooper: I feel the same way. It's funny. I actually reached out to Elle Casey and I think she's going to be on the show. Nick Webb: Oh good. C. G. Cooper: This year, we're going to try to get her on. Fingers crossed because I feel the same way about her. I've been watching her work for a long time. Alright. Well let's finish up. Can you tell the listeners something of yours that you'd like for them to check out? Where they can find you and come say hello? Nick Webb: Yeah. My website is, what is my website? http://www.nickwebbwrites.comand I'll have links to all my series and books up there. In terms of where to start reading my stuff, I think my best selling series is the Legacy Fleet Series. That starts with Constitution. It's up to ... I'm writing book number six right now. I'm planning on there being, I think there's going to be nine books in it. We're about 2/3 of the way through. C. G. Cooper: Nice. Nick Webb: But I've structured the series such that if you want an off ramp at book number three or book number six, you can get off. You don't have to read all nine books. C. G. Cooper: But they should, right? Nick Webb: But you should. C. G. Cooper: Yes. Nick Webb: 'Cause really, the story arc across all nine books, I think is really fun. You'll miss that larger arc if you skip out early. And then Facebook, you know I'm on Facebook, Nick Webb. I've got my news releases coming up, let's see, there's that one, book six of Legacy Fleet. It's going to be called Liberty. It'll be out in maybe a few months. Nick Webb: But I've got other series that I'm working on. I'm doing one called, what's it called? The series is called Earth Dawning. Book one is Mercury's Bane. Book two is Jupiter's Sword. I'm just about to publish Neptune's War in two months. It's done, I just have to let the audio book narrator narrate it for me. That usually takes about two months. Nick Webb: And right this moment, I'm working on finishing book four of my very first series that I ever started writing in sci-fi, which is the Pax Humana Series. My fans hate me. My readers hate me for this. But I wrote the first three books. And then I let it sit. I let the series sit for two years. I just left them on a cliffhanger at the end of book three. I have been chipping away at this book for the past two years now. And it's almost done. So don't worry fair readers, you are about to get book four. And then I'm not going to let two years go past between book four and five. C. G. Cooper: Promise? Nick Webb: Yeah, I promise. And I originally was planning ten books. I have shrunk that back, given my track record. I shrank that back to I think I'm just going to do seven books for that one. C. G. Cooper: Okay, well awesome. Check out the Legacy Fleet series by my good friend, Nick Webb. And we're going to wrap things up now. This has been Books in 30 with C.G. Cooper. Thank you for listening. Don't forget to email me at cgc (at) cg-cooper.com to say hello or let me know of author you'd like to see as my guest. Thanks for tuning in. This is C.G. Cooper out.
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